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waxy
Unread post  Post subject: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 5:35 pm

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I was switched by my provider from a Resmed Airsense 10 to a Phillips respironics Dream Station.. My previous mask was a full face Airfit f20 and switched to a full face dreamwear .. I use 13 pressure with a ramp of 4 and high humidity. I started getting bad headaches after the 2 day with my new mask and had to switch back to the airfit f20. The doctor said I had a sinus infection but after it was cleared I used the mask again with the same resuts. I liked the new one because it was much more comfortable and would like to keep on using it. Any suggestions?
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DeltaBravo3.8
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:16 pm
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Humidifier: Accessory Humidifier will be requested
Pressure Setting: 0 setting for now, soon to be using AVAPS settings

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If I may ask, why did they take a better machine away and replace it with a lesser product? ResMed is typically better than a Respironics, that's why I say what I did. It's possible poor choices on the machine settings could cause events that cause headaches. I've been there myself.

What are both machines specifically? And do you have OSCAR, the free report tool? We need to see data to know what's going on. I can guess that the Respironics is failing to give the therapy you need but the ResMed was doing fine. I'm further going to guess that your Respironics settings need changed from that of the ResMed. So show us the data and we'll point out what's wrong.

Sorry to tell you but they took your BMW and gave you a Chevy.

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PS if at all possible, tell them to swap machines and get that ResMed back.

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eorozco
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 6:55 pm

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I disagree ... and I think all Respironics users disagree also. This is not a forum comparing CPAP machines and promoting Resmed because is a "BMW" vs "Chevy" .... what a poor commentary ... this type of comment should be prohibited in the forum ...

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DeltaBravo3.8
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:44 pm
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eorozco,

I've been on both ResMed and Respironics and I can state there is a big difference in quality of therapy. And I've seen it in OSCAR charts with quite a few others. Some I've witnessed drastic changes in therapy for the better just by switching to ResMed from Respironics.

If you don't like my experienced opinion that's fine, but recognize I don't have to like your opinion either.

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Pugsy
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 7:47 pm
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Well....you asked for "any suggestions" and you got someone's opinion and you didn't like it.

And yes preferences to specific machines are indeed allowed on this forum...it's a public forum. We get to have our opinions just like everyone else. No specific brand contributes one penny to the cost of maintaining this forum.

You get forum member opinions....after all that is what you asked for.

You are free to disagree of course but it is what it is.

I suggest you talk to your medical care team about your headache issues. There is a very long list of causes for headaches and cpap use isn't at the top of the list.
May be strap placement...may be humidity related....may be something else entirely and just a coincidence they started with the change in mask or machine.

And I am someone who has also used both brands of machines and there is a very good reason I am using ResMed.

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waxy
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:13 am

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Thank you for the replies! I downloaded Oscar but the information that my machine stores is not compatible with the program. So It only downloads basci info like usage, mask. Unfortunately this is the machine I was given so I have to make do with it. It works the same as the resmed and is as silent.
I used my old mask and It cleared up my headaches, went back to the new mask and got the headaches back. So The dreamwear mask is not for me.
For now things are ok


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Respirator99
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:18 pm
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Waxy, which exact model Dreamstation are you using? AFAIK Oscar now supports all Dreamstation machines correctly.

A thought occurred to me - did you have the SD card inserted in the machine while you were sleeping? With Resmed machines (and I believe the same is true for others) the detailed data is written directly to the card, and only the summary data is stored in the machine. In other words, ensure the card is in the machine before you go to bed.

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Pugsy
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:44 pm
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I am betting he has the DreamStation CPAP model....most basic of data.

To the OP...what is the model number on the bottom of the blower?
It should start with DSX and some numbers and maybe letters after it.

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waxy
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:21 pm

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The Model number is:
LAX200H15


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DeltaBravo3.8
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:32 pm
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That seems to be equal to the base DSX200*** CPAP. LAX versions are for a territory other than US markets.

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Pugsy
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:43 pm
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Yep...the most basic bare bones model DreamStation.
Not much data on that SD card to look at. If we could look at it which you can with Encore Pro but you won't see much.
I am not sure if OSCAR even will show hours of use.

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DeltaBravo3.8
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:14 am
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Maybe we have to rely on the on-board PAP readout. OP could read and post that info.

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Pugsy
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:54 am
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DeltaBravo3.8 wrote:
Maybe we have to rely on the on-board PAP readout. OP could read and post that info.


Problem is it might just be hours of use that is seen.
At best there might be a generic AHI with no event category breakdown. I haven't been able to figure out IF the base 200 model is like the past 200 models and didn't gather anything beyond hours of use and adding in a model that is out of the US.....I just don't know for sure. I see conflicting data being documented as to what the 200 models record.
Is it like the ResMed base model cpap which only does generic AHI stuff or does it even do that????

At any rate...the most we could expect to get is a generic AHI and hours of use and I have my doubts as to that being what is shown.
And I doubt it would help with the original question about headaches which initially I suspect might be humidity setting related since the doc wants to blame it on a sinus infection but without further details as to the symptoms beyond a headache....I just don't know. If there are other symptoms that point to sinus or nasal issues then I might be inclined to think humidity setting related. I know that when I used less humidity I got a massive "sinus headache" but I also had some massive allergy like symptoms. My nasal mucosa doesn't like dry air at all. People often blame nasal issues on sinuses...so there just isn't enough information here to know in what direction to go.

Heck...it could be strap placement as well. I know I get headaches when straps go across the base of my skull for full face masks. But then I know I have a metal plate in my neck and bad arthritis in my neck so those headaches end up being from having cervical spine position issues. I call them neck headaches but they present themselves as a tension headache across the area of my face where the frontal sinuses are...and someone might easily attribute them to "sinus" when in reality they are tension headaches from strap placement. It's one of the reasons that I have avoided full face masks all these years. They all put tension on an area of my neck that can cause headaches.

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DeltaBravo3.8
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:57 pm
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Yes, good point about the OP asking about headaches. I guess the on-screen info may not be as helpful as originally thought.

I take a vacation and the mind turns into oatmeal.

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Pugsy
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2020 2:18 pm
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DeltaBravo3.8 wrote:
Yes, good point about the OP asking about headaches. I guess the on-screen info may not be as helpful as originally thought.

I take a vacation and the mind turns into oatmeal.



Well we have to start somewhere when looking for answers and the on screen or software data is as good of a place as any to start looking if it is available. Heck, for all we know the pressure setting isn't optimal and the headaches are O2 related.
Maybe leaks are massive and leading to sub optimal therapy.

We just start have to overturning rocks and looking for answers.

And don't feel bad. My mind is oatmeal most of the time and I can't blame it on a vacation. :lol:
Been battling my own sleep maintenance insomnia issues lately myself. Not airway or cpap related though. Life related.
Sometimes my mind is just pure mush.

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DeltaBravo3.8
Unread post  Post subject: Re: Sinus Headache with new Machine  |  Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:10 pm
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Humidifier: Accessory Humidifier will be requested
Pressure Setting: 0 setting for now, soon to be using AVAPS settings

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Well, I think I'm back from vacation. It was needed.

Hope we hear back from OP so we can optimize the therapy any way we can. Great afternoon forum folk.

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