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SleepyDave
Unread post  Post subject: In Home Sleep Study Software  |  Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 10:40 am

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I did the Ares unicorder in home sleep study last night. Does anyone know if there is somewhere to get the software to look at the data?


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TheLankyLefty
Unread post  Post subject: Re: In Home Sleep Study Software  |  Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:38 am
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Ares is a closed system. Would it make you feel any better to know that nobody can view the data? Not even the people "scoring" your test data can view it. It's called ARES Insight and is a Watermark Product.

It's all automated scoring using their super secret algorithm. I would not trust those things just because you can't visually validate anything.

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SleepyDave
Unread post  Post subject: Re: In Home Sleep Study Software  |  Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:23 am

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Fairly new here. Not sure if this reply notifies you or not.

But no I wasnt worried about someone viewing the data. I'm just impatient and was wondering if there was a way for me to view the data instead of having to wait for follow up Dr appointment.

As far as not trusting the machine... this is my third sleep study, the first take home study and the results were drastically different than my two lab studies. The in lab studies had me around 3% REM. This had me at 22%.

This study was ordered by a Dentist by trade sleep Dr. I asked why the HUGE difference in the results and he attributed it to sleeping in my own bed/more comfortable environment.

I looked at the sleep stage graph and it only shows non REM and REM and wake. It showed the majority of my arousals in REM, but it rarely showed 'wake' from the arousal. I thought an arousal would take me out of REM and then I'd fall back asleep and basically start the sleep cycle Over? I could be wrong.


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TheLankyLefty
Unread post  Post subject: Re: In Home Sleep Study Software  |  Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:09 pm
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SleepyDave wrote:
I asked why the HUGE difference in the results and he attributed it to sleeping in my own bed/more comfortable environment.
No, it's because they just aren't that accurate.

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It showed the majority of my arousals in REM, but it rarely showed 'wake' from the arousal. I thought an arousal would take me out of REM and then I'd fall back asleep and basically start the sleep cycle Over? I could be wrong.
An arousal can just be three seconds of wake. An arousal can take you out of REM sleep, or you can go right back into REM sleep. Usually if you get kicked out of REM you will try to dive back into it....or not. :) Wake doesn't show up on a hypnogram unless the wake segment of the 30 second epoch is more than 15 seconds, though it can be the full 30 seconds as well.

SleepyDave wrote:
Fairly new here. Not sure if this reply notifies you or not.
Seems like it usually does, but not always.

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Unread post  Post subject: Re: In Home Sleep Study Software  |  Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:24 pm

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So i should basically take the Non-REM and REM info from that study and toss it out the window? Does their super secret algorithm solely figure out what stage of sleep you're in? Or is there a person that analyses the data too?

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TheLankyLefty
Unread post  Post subject: Re: In Home Sleep Study Software  |  Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:10 am
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The hypnogram looks to me to be like the ill fated Zeo. Love the concept, but there are some serious problems with automated reading of EEG.

REM, Stage N1, and a person awake and looking around all look pretty close to a computer. All EEG doesn’t look the same, though it’s close. Some people have higher amplitude eeg, more or less theta waves...or none, eye movements that deviate from the norm. A host of other things that make for too much gray area.

Delta/Slow wave sleep it always seems to nail....unless there is alpha delta.

No person looks at the data from the Ares unit. It’s all automated.

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SleepyDave
Unread post  Post subject: Re: In Home Sleep Study Software  |  Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:31 am

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Ok thanks for the feedback. I've been using CPAP for quite awhile and don't notice much difference. Hoping to get another in lab sleep study while using CPAP the entire night. Pressure setting is 10 to 15. Nasal mask and I mouth tape. AHI is always under 1.5. Sometimes under 1.


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Unread post  Post subject: Re: In Home Sleep Study Software  |  Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:49 am
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I just came across this thanks to Pugsy..I unfortunately just completed my 2 night at home study with this unit as well. Once I give the unit back, how long does it normally take to get the "info" or algorithm from it? I'm curious how long it will take for them to say yes you have SA or No you don't...I'm positive I do...I just hope I don't get a false negative from it.


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